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Robert Kennedy, Jr. recently talked about his new book, The Real Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health , on Right on Point podcast hosted by Wayne Rohde https://www.buzzsprout.com/1423192/9610446

During the 28 minute talk Kennedy revealed the lengths Fauci went to in order to turn his agency, NIAID, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, from a backwater entity, set to be abolished, into a powerful force controlling our public health decisions.

As Kennedy put it, “He captured the AIDS crisis for his agency” in order to gain access to billions of research dollars, and “that really was the beginning of his power.”

Kennedy explained that Fauci has never been held accountable for promoting the unproven, deadly drug, AZT for AIDS patients.

Instead Fauci went on to gain more power over research and funding from the U.S.  Government.

Kennedy explained how Fauci joined forces with the pharmaceutical industry to the point, as Kennedy said, “He is a partner in the pharmaceutical industry.” This includes dispensing research dollars to universities.

As a result, there is essentially no oversight: “So the whole system is now corrupt. Every aspect of it has been has been completely corrupted by pharma.”

As far as the current pandemic is concerned, Kennedy revealed that under Fauci’s watch, plans to handle a pandemic had been in the works for years.

Before COVID there were a whole series of corona virus pandemic simulations that the intelligence agencies were doing.

It’s all going according to plan, as Kennedy said,

They’re manipulating populations on a national scale. All that propaganda, the fear mongering, the scapegoating, the isolation tactics, the lockdowns to induce this system that the intelligence agencies call Stockholm syndrome which makes people grateful to their captors and leaves them with the feeling that their only path to survival is total compliance and total obedience to the captors, anger at people who anger the captors—and all of these techniques that I talk about.

Wayne Rohde:  Welcome everyone. Thank you for listening today. …

Today I have the distinct honor and privilege to have Robert Kennedy, Jr. on the program. So welcome, Mr. Kennedy. Thank you for joining us today.

Robert Kennedy, Jr.: Thanks for having me, Wayne, and for all your years of work as an advocate on this issue. You are our go-to person at CHD [Children’s Health Defense] when we have a question on the VAERS [Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System](system. You’ve made yourself kind of the world’s expert on how VAERS works. So thank you, thank you for being such an extraordinary useful resource for all of those years.

Rohde: Well, you’re welcome. I appreciate it. There are so many of us out here that are willing to help and provide it.
That’s what a great thing about our advocacy group here is….

 What’s it like to have the number one selling book out on Amazon? What’s it like there to know that your book is number one?

Kennedy: I’m really happy about it.

We’re waiting to see what happens with the New York Times list and how they handle that because clearly they are going to do everything in their power to keep us off that list.

It’s important. It’s an important statement. As you know, people in our community have been silenced for many, many years.

We cannot speak on mainstream media at all. We can’t write editorials in the paper.

I’ve only been allowed to write letters to the editor.

Now we’re banned from social media.

We can’t do the documentaries.

We do the documentaries, but they are able to block anybody from really revealing them in terms of mass marketing.

The one place where we can still do mass marketing to large swaths of people in public are books, and this book I think, is really important because it’s an explanation, a fact-based explanation about what happened to our country in the last 20 months.

The evolution of agency capture, the evolution of the links between the pharmaceutical industry, our medical regulatory agencies, the medical technocrats led by Tony Fauci, but also these other players that now play such a critical role in that medical cartel, including the social media and the mainstream media outlets which both have their own financial entanglements with Big Pharma and probably most importantly, the intelligence agencies.

That was an ingredient that I really didn’t understand. I had seen kind of these vague shadows of their presence, not really understanding how it happened or why they were interested in public health

As I researched this book, that story—still much of it is obscure—but it become clearer and clearer and clearer, and their fingerprint on the COVID pandemic response is now indelible and clear and undeniable, and it’s frightening.

Particularly, the last chapter of my book, the chapter called “Germ Games,” really drills down on those entanglements by the CIA, by the other intelligence agencies and by the military intelligence agencies as well.

Rohde: I got your book last week… One of the things I was picking up was Fauci and what he did to the HIV community through the AIDS. I thought it was purely disgusting.

What are one or two takeaways that you could tell the listeners with regards to the HIV, AIDS era—I guess he was promoting antivirals there at the end.

I find the whole things disgusting, what he did to the entire HIV community.

Kennedy: I show this in the book….He pioneered techniques and methodologies that we’ve seen him enact or that we’ve seen him execute again and again and again—that was in 1980, so forty years, to promote toxic drugs, high profit toxic drugs over much more effective off-the-shelf, repurposed medications that are actually more effective.

There were all the same techniques that he used.

Here’s the story. NIAID in 1981 was a backwater. It was an agency that had originally targeted infectious diseases, [but] as infectious disease mortality has declined in our country, it became much less relevant.

In fact in 1980, David Stockman, Ronald Reagan’s budget director, recommended the abolition of both NIAID and CDC because infectious disease had declined to such a small percentage of the American public that it was no longer a significant cause of mortality. This was because of improved nutrition, improved sanitation, the road systems, electric refrigeration and flush toilets, etc

There was desperation within the agencies, actually there were memos going back and forth saying we’ve got to find a pandemic because it’s the only way that we can save our agency.

In 1981, the first AIDS cases appeared, and they went to the National Cancer Institute. They didn’t go to NIAID.

The National Cancer Institute is another HHS agency, and they went there because the original signal for AIDS was Kaposi Sarcoma, which is a skin cancer and it affects other areas of the body too. And so it was regarded as a cancer problem, and the National Cancer Institute was set up actually, it had laboratories, it could do laboratory analyses, it could do large scale studies.

It could not only identify the cases of disease but also had the capacity to formulate drugs. It had a laboratory to develop cancer drugs. Billions and billions of dollars had been poured into that laboratory. It was state of the art.

Tony Fauci had none of that. NIAID was a tiny little agency with a minuscule budget, constantly under threat, and it had no capacity to make drugs.

Tony Fauci had a battle with National Cancer Institute. In 1983 Luc Montagnier found an organism in about 47 percent of AIDS patients he examined, which was the HIV organism.

He said maybe more studies should be done to see if this has a causative impact on AIDS.

Fauci used that study, which was very ambiguous, to say this is a viral disease. It is therefore in my jurisdiction and not under the jurisdiction of the National Cancer Institute.

He captured the AIDS crisis for his agency. At that time it was billions of dollars in funding that were being poured into this new plague, which was predicted to spread across the population—which of course, it never did.

That really was the beginning of his power.

At that time, he had no clue about how to develop a drug because all those kinds of experiments, all those kinds of developments were what was happening at National Cancer Institute. NIAID was not equipped to do that.

He was promising Congress and promising the AIDS activists, yes, we can get you a drug very quickly, but he couldn’t do it. So he was utterly reliant on the pharmaceutical industry to produce a product for him.

The only product at that time that was a lead product was AZT. Now AZT was a highly, highly toxic human therapy drug. In fact it was so toxic— it was originally developed by NIH. The scientists who developed it threw it on a junk heap because it killed all the mice.

Chemotherapy drugs are designed to kill you. They’re designed to kill every cell in your body, but the hope is that they’ll kill the tumor cells before they kill the rest of you.

This drug was just plain deadly. They didn’t think there’d be any use for it, but very, very early on in the process, Glaxo began doing experiments with a lot of compounds. It took AZT and put it in a cell culture with HIV, and it killed the HIV, naturally, because it kills everything. So they said, this may be useful as an AIDS drug.

They began planning to do clinical trials on it. Tony Fauci facilitated those clinical trials without doing proper animal studies.

The problem was it was supposed to be a year long trial. The problem was when they started giving this to people, they immediately died.

So Tony Fauci had to end the trial after eight weeks, instead of going two to three years, which it should have gone.

The only way he could keep the patients alive during that period was to give many of them daily blood transfusions.

So they were giving almost no blood transfusions to the placebo group, and they were giving blood transfusions to almost everybody in the AZT group. That way he kept them alive for the eight week period. He declared it a huge success.

He said, now we’re going to give this not just to people who are sick with AIDS; we’re going to give it to anybody who tests positive for AZTwith a PCR test.

With chemotherapy you give people the drug for two weeks and hope it kills the tumor. What Tony Fauci was planning to do was to give AZT to people for the rest of their lives.

If you give a chemotherapy drug to somebody for the rest of their life, it is going to end their life quickly.

That’s what happened, and AZT ended up killing a lot more people than AIDS killed.

News reports on NBC and all over the country about the cheating that had been discovered in the upcoming years, but “Teflon Tony” was able to deflect those. That really is one of this big gifts, his capacity to not get implicated in the disasters that have followed him throughout his career.

AZT became a huge success. It was the most expensive drug ever marketed. Glaxo was selling it for $10,000 per year. …The capitalization of the company essentially doubled overnight.

There were a lot of critics who came forward and said, wait a minute, this is poison. It’s not really working.

Those critics, what I show in the book, the strategies he developed for silencing, for censoring, for discrediting, for marginalizing, for vilifying those critics were techniques that he then used throughout the rest of his career.

Those techniques really fueled his long career. It’s a career that has been marked by dramatic declines in American health and by the corruption of science across the board, because he now controls most of the science.

NIAID is no longer even a public health agency. It’s simply an incubator for pharmaceutical products.

So between 2009 and 2016, there were some 240 drugs that were approved by FDA, all of which had gone through Tony Fauci’s shop.

He is a partner in the pharmaceutical industry.

Classically, Wayne, this is what he does. He has laboratories now where his NIAID researchers have tens of thousands of cultures of every viral disease….

They’ll take different molecules, different combinations of molecules and drip them on to the virus culture. If the virus dies, they have a potential drug. It’s an anti-viral.

Then they’ll test it on mice or rodents or guinea pigs, and they’ll see if it kills the animals. If it kills the virus, but it does not wipe out the animal, now they have really a potential drug. They can begin farming it out.

They’ll farm it out to a university to do clinical trials, first on animals, then phrase one trials.

This is the way the clinical trials, a typical way they work, although it’s far from a uniform way they work.

The principal investigator who’s unusually the head of a department at a university medical school, and he is making the bulk of his money and the university is now making the bulk of their money from NIH and NIAID.

Here’s how the deal works:

Typically the bad PI [principal investigator] will have 100 people in the study. He’s a doctor; he’ll be recruiting volunteers for the study.

NIAID will give the PI let’s say $15,000 for every individual in his study.

The university skims off 50-75 percent of that to keep.

That means the university is now onboard in this partnership, and they’re part of it, and they’re going to defend Tony Facui to the grave.

Then they go to phase two and phase three. Now they have to bring in 10,000 or 20,000 people, so they need a pharmaceutical partner.

So they give the patent to a pharmaceutical company, but Tony Fauci is allowed to keep part of that patent for his agency.

With the Moderna patent, they kept half of it. He takes parts of that patent and gives them to his favorite deputies.

With Moderna, there are at least four people in NIAID who will have margin rights for that patent and will be able to collect under their HHS policies $150,000 a year for life on every patent that they own.

That’s how he keeps the loyalties of his underlings, because he can distribute these little sinecures to them.

Then the university also keeps part of the patent, so now they get permanent income as long as this is approved.

Once they get the drug where they’ve passed these phase three trials, of course everybody is highly incentivized to cheat, not notice when there’s injuries, do all kinds of screwed up reporting, now it has to go to FDA for approval.

Tony Fauci always says, well the drug was approved by independent scientists, but if you look at the scientists who sit on that committee, they aren’t FDA employees.

It’s a panel that FDA creates, but it creates those panels mainly out of Tony Fauci’s PIs.

All of his PIs from Harvard, from Baylor, from Berkeley, from Stamford, from Columbia, all the other universities sit on that panel and they approve each other’s drugs.

And if they ever dared not to approve a drug, they’re never presumably, ever going to get another grant from Tony Fauci, and they live on his grants.

The grants are huge. Typically he’ll give $200,000,000. $300,000,000  in grants to these universities annually.

So the whole system becomes corrupt and the pharmaceutical company that owns it also is the major source of funding for the journal, JAMA, the New England Journal of Medicine or for Lancet. Those journals get about 90 percent of their revenue from advertising and from reprints from these pharmaceutical companies.

The pharmaceutical companies can dictate what gets published. They publish the clinical trial saying this drug works great, and then they buy reprints of that trial in the Lancet with the Lancet masthead on it and distribute it to every doctor in America.

Their pharmaceutical reps, when they go visit the doctor now have that Lancet [article].

So the whole system is now corrupt. Every aspect of it has been has been completely corrupted by pharma.

Tony Fauci will never tell you, I’ve been a great success because Americans are healthier since I came here.

When he came into office, six percent of Americans had chronic disease; by 2006, 54 percent. His job is to prevent that, to find out what exposures are causing the chronic diseases and then ending them. He doesn’t do that.

He has a $7.7 billion annual budget. He gives twice away a year what Bill Gates gives. That whole budget goes essentially to developing drugs.

He will never tell you, here is the mark of my success, Americans have less diabetes, they have less rheumatoid arthritis, theyhave fewer food allergies, less eczema, less neurological disorders.

He never talks about that. They only thing he talks about is how many vaccines he’s given and the uptake on all the drugs that he’s developed.

Rohde: …The last couple of weeks we’ve heard a lot of noise about small pox. I was going back to your last chapter, “Germ Games” and intelligence agencies are we going to see something start happening here? Or is this just gas lighting the public for some more fear regarding small pox? I see some posts out there on social media. What do you think is happening there?

Kennedy: I can’t make predictions about what their next move will be. …

If you read “Germ Games,” the anthrax attack and the anthrax germ game, about two months earlier. In fact that germ game was highly publicized, and when the anthrax attacks took place, there were actually hearings that day in Congress on anthrax attacks.

Before COVID there were a whole series of corona virus pandemic simulations that the intelligence agencies were doing.

People are familiar with Event 201.

This tendency they have of telegraphing and telling us what’s going to happen next makes me worry when they say, well, now we have to prepare for small pox.

Two days later we find a bunch of vials of small pox in one NIH lab. So it is worrying, but the bottom line is we know we’re being manipulated.

We know that they using all of this manipulated data, they’re using all the alchemies of fear, panic, isolation, all of the games of the intelligence agencies, the techniques that the intelligence agencies have used for many, many years.

They’re manipulating populations on a national scale. All that propaganda, the fear mongering, the scapegoating, the isolation tactics, the lockdowns to induce this system that the intelligence agencies call Stockholm syndrome which makes people grateful to their captors and leaves them with the feeling that their only path to survival is total compliance and total obedience to the captors, anger at people who anger the captors—and all of these techniques that I talk about. There’s many, many more that the CIA developed through MK-Ultra.

I show how those are tied directly into manipulations that have occurred through since the beginning, and how the planning for this happened over 20 years where they were drilling it again and again and again.

To someone who has not read the book I probably sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist, but there’s 2,200 footnotes in the book. I don’t make any speculations. I don’t look in people’s heads. I don’t look into Gates’ head or Tony Fauci’s head and say this is what he was thinking. I don’t do that.

I only tell this story as it can be documented. That story, I think, is revealing about the people who’ve put us in this position.

Again Wayne, I want to thank you for your extraordinary work. You are an invaluable resource to this entire movement, this entire community.

Your choice in really studying the VAERS system has allowed those of us who are  litigating on this issue and advocating too, a deeper profound insight that’s been useful to us again and again and again.

You’re the go-to guy. So Wayne, thank you for everything that you do.

Rohde: I truly appreciate that and thank you very much for taking the time today to appear on the podcast.

This is a remarkable book.  I went to “Germ Games” as my first chapter. I looked at the table of contents and said, I’ve got to get there….

It’s an incredible read. It’s all sourced properly. A lot of people participated in it. You’re correct. It’s facts, no projections, nothing like that. 

This is pure he story supported by all the facts.

Kennedy: I wrote the book, but I had an incredible team of fact checkers, and you were on that team—about 10 people who went through every line and every word….